John has a group discussion about religion with author and former pastor Keith Giles; author, poet, spoken word artist, and former pastor Desimber Rose Wattleton; and writer, theologian, and permaculture enthusiast Dillon Cruz. They chat about the rise of Christian Nationalism. Then he interviews Jonathon Metzl who is Professor of Sociology and Psychiatry at Vanderbilt University, and he is also Director of the Center for Medicine, Health, and Society. They discuss his book “Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America’s Heartland”.