John interviews Sally Kohn – liberal political commentator, community organizer, and founder and chief executive officer of the Movement Vision Lab, a grassroots think tank that focuses on liberal and progressive ideas and positions. They talk about her book “The Opposite of Hate: A Field Guide to Repairing Our Humanity.” Next he chats with stand-up comedian, actress, podcaster, television writer, author and producer Judy Gold. She tells him about her book and her one woman show called “Yes I Can Say That”.