Bob’s guest is Tom LoBianco, author of Piety & Power: Mike Pence and the Taking of the White House. Tom has been covering Mike Pence for the AP, CNN, and the Indianapolis Star for many years now. He’s also appeared on MSNBC, NPR and Fox News. Today’s show is about all things Pence, from why he calls his wife “Mother,” to whether he’ll be impeached in the House investigation into Trump’s Ukraine quid pro quo, and a whole lot more – including the one question everyone asks about Pence. If you dig today’s show, please help support this podcast by subscribing at