In today’s patron-only special episode, Cliff and I recap last night’s presidential debate with the best (or worst) clips of the evening, and our take on who won, and whether it even matters. Among the clips: Trump’s incessant interruptions; Trump embracing the Proud Boys white supremacist group; Trump talking about a coup; taxes; the ACA; masks; the vaccine and Trump’s wacky bleach idea; the economy; and Kellyanne claiming riots help Trump. We also have a long discussion throughout about whether Fox News’ Chris Wallace totally botched the debate, or whether, after having listened to the clips again, Wallace may have shown Trump to be a bully, which won’t help him with white suburban women, a key demographic in November.

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